Remember how I bought some Karbonz DPNs and "quite liked them"? After using them a bit more I decided I love them, for a whole lot of reasons. One reason is that aside from Signatures they are the only double pointed needles I've found in 15 centimeter lengths, once you get in more than just the sock sizes. The carbon fiber shafts have this weird warmth to them, not like metal that has been warmed by body heat, more like wood when you pick it up. Leon is convinced that its because these needles are made from demon bones, or perhaps demon horns. Either way, this is all by way of saying that I enjoyed knitting on them, and loved knitting on short thick DPNs so much that I bought sets in 4mm and 4.5mm. So, now I have even more tools to assist me in being all in the round, all the time.